NASA ACCUSED OF ERASING UFOS FROM PHOTOS[The following is excerpted from a transcript of a radio program which was printed in the ORTK (Operation Right to Know) Bulletin #9, dated July 10, 1995. The transcript,prepared by Don Ratch, is taken from a late-night radio broadcast that occurred on May5, 1995 on station WOL-AM in Washington D.C., also simulcast on station WOLB-AMin Baltimore, Maryland. The show is called “UFOs Saturday Night,” hosted by Elaine Douglass. Guests on the show that night included Stanley V. McDaniel, Erol Torun,Keith Morgan, Daniel Drasin and Donna Tietze. Ms. Tietze claims to be a formeremployee of NASA in Houston, Texas. Her testimony was the focus of the followingdiscussion.]Elaine Douglass: This is Elaine Douglass, WOL News-Talk Network, our show is “UFOsSaturday Night,” and… our topic is the Face on Mars. We have a new guest on the airwith us, Donna Tietze. Donna, you are also with three scientists who are on the air with us and that would be Stan McDaniel from California, Erol Torun from the East Coast and Dan Drasin in Colorado… Donna is in Houston, Texas and kind enough to join us tonightto tell us some very interesting things she observed while working at NASA. Donna is an educator and she is working on her Masters in Education. In the past, Donna, as I understand it, you held a position for 15 years with a contractor at the NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston.
You were a photo technician?
Donna Tietze: Correct !
E.D.: Donna, welcome to “UFOs Saturday night.” Tell me and tell everyone the incident that you recall. As they say in the law court, did there come a time when you walked into a photo lab and someone told you something quite astounding? What happened that day?
D.T.: Yes, Elaine, that’s true… I worked at NASA throughout [the] Apollo missions, and I did leave NASA at the time the space shuttles began. I worked in building 8 in the photo lab. I had a secret clearance so I thought I could go anywhere in the building. And I did go into one area that was a restricted area. In this area they developed pictures taken from satellites and also all of the missions, the Apollo missions, flight missions. I went in and I was talking to one of the photographers and developers, and he was putting together a mosaic, which is a lot of photos, smaller photos, into a larger photo pattern. And while I was in there, I was trying to learn new methods and new things about the whole organization, and I was looking at the pictures. And he directed my attention to one area.He said, “Look at that.” I looked and there was a round oval shape. Well, it was very white, circular shape of a dot, and it was black and white photography, so I asked him if that was a spot on the emulsion. And he said, “Well, I can’t tell you, but spots on the emulsion do not leave round circles of shadows.”
E.D.: So there was a shadow on the ground?
D.T.: Right, a round shadow! And I noticed that there were pine trees. Now I don’t know where this area was… I didn’t see outline of the continent. But I did notice that there was a shadow under this white dot, and I also noticed that the trees were casting the shadow in the same direction as this shadow of the circle of this aerial phenomena, because it was higher than the trees but not too much higher than the trees. But it was close to the ground, and it was spherical but slightly elongated, not very much but slightly. I then said, “Is it a UFO?” And he said, “Well, I can’t tell you.” And then I asked him, “What are you going to do with this piece of information?” And he said, “Well, we have to airbrush these things out before we sell these photographs to the public.” So I realized at that point that there is a procedure set up to take care of this type of information from the public.
E.D.: …Now Donna, there is another matter that you learned about when you were thereat NASA. I believe this was through a third party, a person that you were spending sometime with who was a fellow NASA employee?
D.T.: Right, in fact after we talked, I thought about another incident with a guard that I would like to convey too, that’s very important. This man that I had dated was inquarantine with the astronauts when they had come back from the moon, and I had talked to him about seeing this saucer (satellite photos) and asked him if he had heard anything about that. And he told me that every astronaut, every moon trip had been followed by craft, by saucers, that every one of them, every astronaut that went to the moon… they all had seen it, and all had been told to keep quiet about it, and they were threatened with jail and their whole retirement, everything taken away from them… This man told me that if I ever told that he said it, that he would deny it, that he would never admit that he told me all of that.
E.D.: Yes. And I believe that, Donna, you related to me, your friend came to believe that the UFOs were instrumental in getting Apollo 13 that was, ah, our disabled mission to the moon. Was it 13?
D.T.: Right. Well, he said that it shouldn’t have come back, I mean, there was no, ah, they had help. And that was all he would say.
E.D.: All he would say?
D.T.: He said it was impossible for that craft to have gotten back home.
E.D.: Donna, you said that there was another matter that you wanted to relate to us.
D.T.: Yes.. When I had quit work [at NASA], I had an office. I was doing illustration work at another office, in another part of town. And a man that had been a guard at NASA during the time that we are talking about now, he also was a guard at (inaudible).He came into my office, and he had a large gash scar on his forehead, and he told me that he was a guard at NASA and that he was burning a lot of photographs of UFOs. That was his job.
D.T.: And he said he stopped to look at one too long, and one of the other, I gathered it was some type of military man, hit him in the head with a gun butt and knocked him out.
D.T. Because he had looked at one of the photographs too long. He did describe the photograph to me, which I tend to believe was an accurate photograph… He explained that it was a craft on the ground, and it looked like, it was like a regular saucer with like little bumps all over it, and he said it was like it was burnt. He said cows in the field all had their tails stuck straight up. At the time he said he didn’t know when cattle were frightened, that their tails would stick straight up. And he described this to me and since then, I did describe it to someone that I thought might have looked at some of these photos, possibly, and they did look kind of frightened, that I shouldn’t know about that one.
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